Tomb Raider Legends

[The Juggler]

Yep I know that this is an old game on the 360.... I played the demo for the Pirates game and likened it to Tomb Raider but with a beard and a sword.... that started me remembering how much I enjoyed the old Tomb Raider games. So i went out and bought this from a bargain bucket.

This is like every other Raider game... all the same old sorts of story lines with snow and jungle and water and undeground bits... oh and bikes.... but it is GREAT.... if you liked any of the previous Raider games you will love this.... the same-o but with bells and whistles on.... The graphics are superb and the horrible follow camera glitches have all but been removed in this version.

There are secrets to collect and when you have completed the game one can go back and look for the secrets you missed as well as complete a level in a set time for even more rewards.

The first level is on LIVE as a demo so download it and have a look see for yourself.

If you see this in a bargain bucket bin for some $20.00 buy it as you will get a good twelve hours of fun from it (at least)..... to tell you the truth I have gotten more enjoyment playing this old title than I have with ShadowRun and Spidey 3 put together!!! :shock:



Des


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[bamhm182]

I played it for a minute, it's pretty good, never really played Tomb Raider much, and I couldn't figure out what to do, but it was alright.

[Pagnell]

Completed the demo on the PC last year before I got my 360 then downloaded and completed it again on the 360 only a few weeks back. Now that it is going for about £15 I will definitely pick it up. It's just a case of getting around to it!

[Kernel Kev]

ilayed one version of tomb raider, it was on the ps2, or was it ps1? I forget, but anyways it was the one with a training gym inside her house and i can distinctively remember a quad bike. They probably all have that but i though it was a cool game.

I might trade in Spidey 3 at game then and get that, they said trade in for spidey was £23, which isnt much far off of ebays going price of £27

I may get moto GP 06 aswell, i seen the vid clip for 07, which looks the same so i think i will wait for a review on that one.



Kev
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[The Juggler]

Raider Legends is a great game... finished it now and I am just tidying up on the time trials....

The graphics are really good and some of the puzzles do stretch the brain somewhat but not enough to deter from the game play.... and the ending is........ :wink:

The game was obviously sponsored by Jeep and Ducatti as their products are on show quite a bit.... the Jeep Commander and Wrangler Rubicon especially.... a Duke Monster and I believe a 316 as well.

Moto Gp6 was a great demo bhut as with most bike games the steering was very twitchy... take down the demo on live Kev before you buy.



Des


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[Kernel Kev]

I have played the full game if you look in my achievements part. I think the steering is awesome. It reflects how bikes handle differently to cars, you cant just full lock them into corners then if you go too far drift the rest of the way. A bike is perfectly designed for going round corners, its the rider that f*cks it up.



Kev
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[The Juggler]

hmmm interesting opinion about bikes being better in corners than cars.... I would have to disagree with you on that one... and that is based on over twenty years of experience riding bikes.

Generally on the roads the majority of cars are not in the same performance catagory as a standard bike.... so they are not designed to execute a good corner at speed... but take any decent car and you will find the corner entering speed is higher and the corner speed itself is higher.... physics of grip... lower centre of gravity and four big patches of rubber on the road... down side is the weight issue.
To back up this arguement just go to a mixed open track day at any race circuit and you will see that the bikes lap times are slowert than the cars... been here done that.
Yes the bike excelerates faster than the cars from the bends and can but the corners are it's down falls.
Done a track day at Thruxton where I went around in a Rover Z and a Ferrari and I was let loose in a Renault 2000 LeMan special single seater... no way could I have taken the bends at that sort of speeds on a bike... and the few bikes on the take were being thrashed on the corners by the Rover!!! and remember that Thruxton is the faster track in the UK too.

Agreed that the rider screws up most corner crashes but unlike in a car the rioder NEEDS to be able to read the road conditions.... for instance a nice hot sunny day and your doing a blast down an A road, say the A262 (hmmmmm awesome) and the up coming bend is in complete shade and has been since first light.... the heat of that road will be considerably cooler than that which is in the sun... also possibly damp... the pratt biker will hammer into the bend and will wonder why the bike is not sticking to the road like all the previous bends in the sunlight.... gravel, mud, drain covers, painted lines... a biker has to take into account so many things when riding.



Des


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[Kernel Kev]

Sorry late on the reply.

Good discussion there Des, its a shame i never actually compared a bikes cornering abilities to a car :shock:

I will explain:

Originally Posted by I

It reflects how bikes handle differently to cars, you cant just full lock them into corners then if you go too far drift the rest of the way.

What i mean here is the way games portray the handling of both vehicles (most games, GT etc being the exceptions). Games like NFS U, make it extremely easy to just drift around a corner, making entrance speed not much to think about, as you should know, power steering is extremely helpful in those kinda games, different in real life though.

Bike games do tend to exagerate the fact that (being a biker myself) you, as Des said need to look at the road ahead of you, silly things like leaves on a damp road can have you on a wobble. MotoGP makes the hard task of not just going round the corner, but entering the corner and exiting aswell. It even gives you the option to what brake (front or back) you use, giving you also like NFS the ability to powerslide. BUT it is extremely hard to pull off, as in real life. Des i would be seriously impressed if you said you can powerslide a MotoGP bike round a bend.

Originally Posted by I also

A bike is perfectly designed for going round corners, its the rider that f*cks it up.

This could be seen as both right and wrong, i can understand that. Its merely an expression i use for those not so good bike riders.



Des, i agree completly with you, cars have major advantages on corners and also weight is a problem but they have space to put 2 ltr V10's in a car which even on the straight a bike will not keep up with, this is the extremity of an F1 car though.

I saw on Top Gear a claim made by Ducati that its new bike will beat any new supercar around a track. So they tested it against a Lamborghini whatever it was (damn quick though). They didnt race together for safety reasons but they did overlap the film to see where they were if together.

As anyone with knowledge of motors will understand the car has corners the bike has straights, this is how it went. Last corner they exit it neck and neck, then the bike unleashed its best weapon, complete lack of weight in combination with a damn powerfull engine. (Ducati GP bikes now rev to 20,000 revs).

But i will say, it all will change depending on the track. A tight many-corner track and the car will win, a long fast track and a bike will win.

I cannot except your views at a trackday as an example because i would only be ok about a comparison of such if it was an F1 driver VS a MotoGP rider, like Rossi, who is superb at powersliding on corners.



Kev
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[The Juggler]

Ok most track days are for non-professional riders and to a degree it is safe to say that the skill levels vary between participants... but if you accepts that some car drivers are good and some are bad and the same said for the bike riders a general average skill ratio is achieved... so over a whole days track event the general (read average) rule of car beating bike in the corners should be acceptable as a true representation of fact.

The likes of Rossi just throw out all arguements as the man is a god in my eyes. I saw him win at Donnington a few years back... I was in the VIP suit of the EDGE Police trainers box at the end of the start finish straight.... seeing the man powerslide round a bend on TV is NOTHING like actually seeing it for real.... also it gave me a new appreciation for the 250cc racers too.
If you have not been to Donnington for a Moto GP you gotta go just for the experience.... the year I went i even got to see barry Sheene race round with the classic race... that was the 2nd time i saw him race... the first was at the Goodwood festival of speed.

I wish I had seen the thing on top gear about the Ducatti bike versus the Lambo....not sure that a Lambo is a good track tool anyway but still pretty damn fast... what was the Duke model can you remember???

My 14 would start to slide out of bends when I gave her too much stick on exit... cannot say that these were powerslides, just over enthusiastic right wrist. But my chicken strip was down to 1/4" on both sides of the rear so I was happy.



Des


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[Kernel Kev]

Originally Posted by The Juggler

Ok most track days are for non-professional riders and to a degree it is safe to say that the skill levels vary between participants... but if you accepts that some car drivers are good and some are bad and the same said for the bike riders a general average skill ratio is achieved... so over a whole days track event the general (read average) rule of car beating bike in the corners should be acceptable as a true representation of fact.

I can see your point, unfortunatly we are going to have to disagree. Theres white lies, lies, and then theres statistics, cant remember who said that but i agree with them to a T.

Originally Posted by The Juggler

The likes of Rossi just throw out all arguements as the man is a god in my eyes.

Not if he is racing a guy like louis hamilton, the new up and coming Brit F1 racer who no doubt in my mind will be next world champion.

Originally Posted by The Juggler

I wish I had seen the thing on top gear about the Ducatti bike versus the Lambo....not sure that a Lambo is a good track tool anyway but still pretty damn fast... what was the Duke model can you remember???

Fifth gear - this is the vid on youtube about the bike and car.

Originally Posted by The Juggler

My 14 would start to slide out of bends when I gave her too much stick on exit... cannot say that these were powerslides, just over enthusiastic right wrist. But my chicken strip was down to 1/4" on both sides of the rear so I was happy.

Lol, chicken strip. Yeah i have seen guys bragging about there super fast bike they bought a few weeks back and you can see that 3/4 of the tyre is stil brand new lol.



Kev
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