Renewable oil?

[Berserk_Fury]

I found this pretty shocking, read for yourself.

Scientists find bugs that eat waste and excrete petrol - Times Online

[High Roller]

I think its cool - It would be disasterous to be held to ranson by the middle east, which is what is happening and its goin to get worse. I cant see anything unethical about it judging by what other people in other parts of the world consider perfectly acceptable - such as communism - which is treating people less than than objects and as tools for economic growth. this is bacteria, and is it states its like fermenting beer Its a landmark in science, i hope they do well with it - just hope they dont get greedy when they realise they can charge what they want for it, like the oil prices which are slowly creeping up... and will continue to rise. With out oil were ****ed, and the cloth heads know it

[Berserk_Fury]

Originally Posted by High Roller

I think its cool - It would be disasterous to be held to ranson by the middle east, which is what is happening and its goin to get worse. I cant see anything unethical about it judging by what other people in other parts of the world consider perfectly acceptable - such as communism - which is treating people less than than objects and as tools for economic growth. this is bacteria, and is it states its like fermenting beer Its a landmark in science, i hope they do well with it - just hope they dont get greedy when they realise they can charge what they want for it, like the oil prices which are slowly creeping up... and will continue to rise. With out oil were ****ed, and the cloth heads know it

You shouldn't talk about communism that way without knowing it. While the actual thing which was in Soviet Union and several other nations was close to what you described, the idea itself is very different. As a matter of fact communism could bring a perfect world, but the problem is that it requires perfect people in order to achieve this.

Anyways, back to the topic. The only bad side I see with this is the potential, infinite supply of oil. Yes, I said its a bad side. The reason for that is I'm an environmental person, so something like this would cause great harm to our planet.

[High Roller]

It said it the process was carbon negative - growing the initial fuel would require growing vast amount of the 'waste' needed to feed the bacteria so it would actually suck in more carbon than burning the excretion would give off in your car or whatever - however if they just chop down rainforests to produce the wood chips or set aside land to produce it is yet to be seen - i would imagine, by the way business works, whatever is cheapest.- theres a bigger picture here and i dont think either of us understand it fully. I'm undecided but it definately is better than burning fossil fuels and also paying silly amounts to run your car

[Berserk_Fury]

Originally Posted by High Roller

It said it the process was carbon negative - growing the initial fuel would require growing vast amount of the 'waste' needed to feed the bacteria so it would actually suck in more carbon than burning the excretion would give off in your car or whatever - however if they just chop down rainforests to produce the wood chips or set aside land to produce it is yet to be seen - i would imagine, by the way business works, whatever is cheapest.- theres a bigger picture here and i dont think either of us understand it fully. I'm undecided but it definately is better than burning fossil fuels and also paying silly amounts to run your car

I know what carbon negative means, but it said that it may be carbon negative. They are not too sure about that. The thing is, with the amount of greenhouse gases that we release, it won't really matter that the plants absorb a little more. We still need to go to lower emissions first.

[High Roller]

Everyone has a stance they take, whether it be political, environmental, economical, ethical - The truth is, plants absorbs an astronomical amount of CO2. The main cause for concern is the lungs of the planet being chopped down to make dining room tables at a rate of acres per day - and not being replanted. The emissions of cars and power plants. Will charging more for pwer and fuel keep the earths atmosphere cleaner? or just fill the pockets of those that have the advantage of oil production facilities. The other argument is that we need such things to function. If there was no oil left, then things would grind to a halt and our way of life would go back to being primitive - so we need energy, renewable energy which is expensive and unsightly (people do complain about it ruining their landscape LOL!) or this biofuel which is apparently too good to be true. So were back to square one cos even this has it opposition too. The other option is nuclear, which is clean in a global warming sense, but creates mass amounts of Waste which needs to be entombed miles underground so it poses no risk to humanity. Incidentally, crude oil is fossilised carbon remains from millions of years ago which the earth itself took from the environment when it went through the ice age, which killed nearly everthing on the planet. Releasing it into the atmosphere will no doubt cause climatic change. But seeing as our way of life depends on it we do need to find other sources of energy. Reducing emissions will only slow it down slightly, and chopping down rainforests will speed up the process cos they take in mass amounts of carbon from the atmosphere- Ideally we need to stop using any kind of fossil fuels and switch to renewable energy. Even if this biofuel stuff was carbon neutral its better than mining and using fossil fuel, the wells the crude oil comes from are essentially garbage tanks for the atmosphere, stored so that the earth can support lush life- and when they are empty, theres no trees, all of the carbon will be in the atmosphere.

We're about to go through a massive increase in climate change - Going back to communism - China builds about 10 coal fired power plants a week with no regard for the environment, all to aid economic boom, this wont change cos renewable energy, as ive stated, is expensive and that will significantly slow down economic boom massively - the fat cat business dudes with money want to make more money and its at the expense of the planet (but hey, they look good in their big cars and private jets and 12 houses). Future generations will pay for the greed of a few men wanting to make more money than they really need. Is this really fair and equal? And whos going to stop them, they have so much power and they love it.
Going back to my opening line, politics and economy are much stronger than anything opposing it. even if half the world stood up and said im not going to use my car - youd find a hell of a lot of selfish people that would take twice as much as what they did before. Ethics and the environment are weak, and someone is going to pay for it. Like i said theres a bigger picture here. Too big for either of us to undestand. Our lifes (huimans) as we know it will be affected by climate change, lack of fossil fuel, economic boom. Ethics seriously get in the way of progress and wealth - no wonder they get ignored so much.
Would you be perfectly happy to abandon ur car, -or refuse to buy one - and give up all of your electronic goods so we could save ur planet? ud find less than 1% of people favouring that over having quality of life and comfort. Only when this world is on its knees will people take fully commited action against that problem, cos greed is much more powerful a thing and so easy to take advantage of something when its so easy to do so. History serves us with the knowledge that things will only get worse. The action against global warming is clear, but nobody with any influence is doing anything

After ive thought about it, this biofuel **** is a damn good thing. I just hope its not too late

Peace

[The Juggler]

When I was at school we did global warming... and that was some 30 years ago.... in the early 70's a professor did the Leath lecures and predicted the same and he was ridiculed out of his profession.
We are all to blame.... you guys are using electricity to power your pc's to read or write this stuff.... your pc's where made from naural resources and their nasty biproducts were burnt into the atmospher or buried under ground.... EVERYTHING you buy has helped destroy this planet somehow.... just by recycling your cans and bottles ain't gonna save the earth.... getting rid of the car and walking is a gfood idea... IF WE ALL DO IT.... and that aint gonna happen.
Don't blame Cina for everything either... only recently did Amnerica actually admit that global warming was taking place and that industry was to take a major part of the blame... they refused to sign that treaty where countries agreed to reduce harmful emissions by a set date.... why???? because they wanted to continue to make a buck.... don't get all huffy Yanks.... each and every country needs to take a slice of the blame pie as well as each and everyone of us.
So study stated that if we all watched tv with the light off it would save MILLION of tons of fossil fuels a month!!!

So go hug a tree if it makes you feel better.... but the consider when your driving back to your heated home in your car what little good you actually did..... and what SERIOUS changes we all should make to really help.

High Roller nice posting by the way fella... carbon footprint is the big thing at the moment.... here the government is about to give us all $100 to reduce our own personal footprint.... good for them... most people I know are going to be spending the funds on gas anyway as the gaspumps are getting expensive.... I duid see that a packet of Walkers crisps had it's own carbon footprint printed on the bag..... cool.


Des

[Kernel Kev]

Im not even going to try to sound all smart on this one lol, because to be honest, i havent a clue about what countries sign what an all that.

I do know that volcanoes produce more emmisions than the human race, but thats no excuse as that is the balance, and we are outweighing it.



Kev