Final Fantasy VII: Crisis Core Anticipation Thread - Page 4 - PSP-Forum.com

methodactor · 01-18-2007, 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Constantine

Which is what i argued from the start. No where did I say it's fine to download it from someone else.

Constantine

so you *can* use PS1 games ripped from the original discs on the offical emulator? Now that's interesting... I thought you could only download them on the PS3. Is the PS1 emulator included in the latest firmware update?

weezer · 01-18-2007, 11:38 PM

You have to have that special version to run the homebrew PSOne emulator. Can't do it with the latest firmware, I don't believe.

refuse · 01-19-2007, 01:08 AM

ya, what weezer siad, so just downgrade if not already on the specific one, put it in and put the ripped game and your done

txa1265 · 01-19-2007, 02:09 AM

So let me make sure I'm clear ... to run Final Fantasy VII, you need:
- Cracked OS
- Cracked PSOne emulator
- Ripped game ISO.

That about right?

Constantine · 01-19-2007, 02:59 AM

Custom firmware. It's no different than the multiple versions of Linux. Why are you so against it?

Constantine

refuse · 01-19-2007, 03:26 AM

ya why so?

txa1265 · 01-19-2007, 09:48 AM

Maybe because I'm old and get too embroiled over semantic differences and am trying to teach my kids that there really is a difference between right and wrong and that everything isn't just relative as seems to be trendy to think now ...

I mean, years ago I was part of that early crew trying to get Linux running on *anything* ... for no good reason really ... but that is Linux, which is by definition freely distributable and built for portability.

But there has always been a difference legally and semantically between those trying to 'port' Linux to different platforms and those trying to 'hack' Windows or BeOS or whatever to run on other platforms. The same applies here with the official and so-called 'custom' PSP firmware and PSOne emulators - one is about the owners of the intellectual property adapting it for a new platform, the other is about people who have no legal right to modify the source changing it to work in ways not legally sanctioned by the rightful owners.

Of course, since Sony is making the same changes themselves, it can be argued that I am really engaged in a semantic argument, and that may be true, but it can often be a slippery slope - and look at it from the other side. Why, since what is happening is pretty clearing 'people without legal right to make changes making unofficial changes not sanctioned by the IP holders', which is de facto *hacking* ... why is it so difficult for you guys to say 'yeah, we're using hacked OS and Emulators' - it might be legally shaky at best, but ethically it is not a very bad thing.

Further to that argument, international legal precedent is fairly clear - even if the potential for legal use is clear, if the actual use is overwhelmingly for non-legal usage than the system for allowing that to happen is itself illegal. In this case, any non-Sony firmware is overwhelmingly used as a means of playing pirated games. Therefore the unofficial firmware is a conduit for piracy and would be ruled illegal - the fact that Sony regularly patches to break those versions and requires certain firmware to play games only because it wants gamers to update to official versions reinforces that, and any court looking at it would see Sony as working to defend the proper use of their OS and therefore throw out any claims of 'fair use'.

That is it, I guess ...

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refuse PSP-Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: This is not so hard....I live somewhere...Ina box....jajaja :P Posts: 113	ya why so? __________________ Psp history.. Bought at firmware:2.00>2.71>1.50>3.02OE-A>3.02OE-A\'>3.02OE-B>3.02OE-C>3.10OE-A<Bricked>3.02OE-B>3.10OE-A Memcards: 512mb..for now...Getting a 20GB Iriver soon

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01-19-2007, 02:09 AM	#34 (permalink)
txa1265 PSP-Forum Addict Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 248	So let me make sure I'm clear ... to run Final Fantasy VII, you need: - Cracked OS - Cracked PSOne emulator - Ripped game ISO. That about right?

01-19-2007, 09:48 AM	#37 (permalink)
txa1265 PSP-Forum Addict Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 248	Maybe because I'm old and get too embroiled over semantic differences and am trying to teach my kids that there really is a difference between right and wrong and that everything isn't just relative as seems to be trendy to think now ... I mean, years ago I was part of that early crew trying to get Linux running on anything ... for no good reason really ... but that is Linux, which is by definition freely distributable and built for portability. But there has always been a difference legally and semantically between those trying to 'port' Linux to different platforms and those trying to 'hack' Windows or BeOS or whatever to run on other platforms. The same applies here with the official and so-called 'custom' PSP firmware and PSOne emulators - one is about the owners of the intellectual property adapting it for a new platform, the other is about people who have no legal right to modify the source changing it to work in ways not legally sanctioned by the rightful owners. Of course, since Sony is making the same changes themselves, it can be argued that I am really engaged in a semantic argument, and that may be true, but it can often be a slippery slope - and look at it from the other side. Why, since what is happening is pretty clearing 'people without legal right to make changes making unofficial changes not sanctioned by the IP holders', which is de facto hacking ... why is it so difficult for you guys to say 'yeah, we're using hacked OS and Emulators' - it might be legally shaky at best, but ethically it is not a very bad thing. Further to that argument, international legal precedent is fairly clear - even if the potential for legal use is clear, if the actual use is overwhelmingly for non-legal usage than the system for allowing that to happen is itself illegal. In this case, any non-Sony firmware is overwhelmingly used as a means of playing pirated games. Therefore the unofficial firmware is a conduit for piracy and would be ruled illegal - the fact that Sony regularly patches to break those versions and requires certain firmware to play games only because it wants gamers to update to official versions reinforces that, and any court looking at it would see Sony as working to defend the proper use of their OS and therefore throw out any claims of 'fair use'. That is it, I guess ...