Best Controller ever. . .

[Pagnell]

Originally Posted by kevinorriss

Very one sided opinion there pagnell, not like you.

So why did they start to design the boomerang controller if they new that was the most comfortable controller.

Its entirly opinion on comfort because peoples hands are different sizes. A considerable abount of members on this forum are kids with small hands (unless a tad strange) so things like the original xbox controller is going to be a bit of a pain.

In terms of ease of use and "im better at this game on my controller" well thats only because it becomes instinct as to what button to press. I could get out of my car being able to drive it with ease and get into an £800,000 buggatti veyron and not be used to the shifting on it, dosent make the veyron a worse car. Just less known to your instincts.

Eh? One sided opinion? No mate, just my opinion - I'm a little unsure who's you expected me to give. A strange thing to say.

I merely stated that the PS2 controller is the best and it goes without saying that it is in my opinion (which is the point of the thread). I then stated I thought it was better than the N64 controller and gave a reason - it is suited for virtually every game where as the N64 controller isn't due to only having one analogue stick. In my opinion.

The failed 'boomerang' design was based upon the dual shock 2 but they decided against it in the end. Why? Well, presumably because it didn't feel as comfortable as the original and they thought 'why change something that isn't broke?'

You don't have to agree with any of the above, obviously. As it's my opinion.

[Cabe]

Originally Posted by scottie1984

I was talking about how that would fit your hand.... its practically the same.... and IMO they do look the same anyway just a slightly different shape.

I can't say I agree with you, but oh well, everyone is entitled to their own opinion... even if it is wrong :mrgreen: jk

[scottie1984]

Originally Posted by Cabe

I can't say I agree with you, but oh well, everyone is entitled to their own opinion... even if it is wrong :mrgreen: jk

have a vote....

[Kernel Kev]

I was simply stating that you saying the dualshock 2 controller is the best is a tad narrow minded when you have to consider what makes a controller good. Amount of buttons? Comfort? Or just that you are used to one than the other.

Of course its your opinion to why you like the dualshock 2 controller best, and thats most likely because you find it more comfortable/easier to use than the rest. But does that make it the best controller ever.

MY OPINION is that a controllers greatness is determined on functionality than comfort because comfort alters with everyone.

And i do understand the point of this forum.

[Pagnell]

Originally Posted by kevinorriss

I was simply stating that you saying the dualshock 2 controller is the best is a tad narrow minded when you have to consider what makes a controller good. Amount of buttons? Comfort? Or just that you are used to one than the other.

Of course its your opinion to why you like the dualshock 2 controller best, and thats most likely because you find it more comfortable/easier to use than the rest. But does that make it the best controller ever.

MY OPINION is that a controllers greatness is determined on functionality than comfort because comfort alters with everyone.

And i do understand the point of this forum.

First off, I made no mention of the point of the forum, rather the point of the thread.

And stating the Dualshock 2 is the best isn't narrow minded because it is my opinion. You don't agree. Does that make you narrow minded? I wouldn't say so but perhaps we differ.

You say that a controllers greatness is based on functionality and not comfort but then call me narrow minded for stating I think the Dualshock is best as it has two analogue sticks instead of one which is an addition in terms of functionality.

You seem to be missing one important point which I keep coming back to. When I say which controller is best in a thread like this it is obviously in my opinion. Do you need to run that by you again? IN MY OPINION. Am I saying someone else is wrong or narrow minded because their's differs? No. Would you like a disclaimer at the bottom of every post that has an opinion in?

So to sum up:-

IN MY OPINION the Dualshock 2 is the best because I like it's functionality and it's comfort. However, for the sake of Kevinorris, I accept not everyone else will agreee with this and that their opinion isn't necessarily wrong, just different.

Perhaps we can move on now?

[Mr Hankey]

yeah.... lets move on :?
:mrgreen:

Know Im gonna get killed for this but :
my fav. controller is the Xbox ...
a lot of people hate it, but I think its perfect
you can use so many different games on it without problem.
the analog sticks are perfectly placed and it has a good amount of buttons.
- and it´s also got good comfort

very short description though ................

= MY OPINION :twisted:

[Kernel Kev]

Originally Posted by Pagnell

First off, I made no mention of the point of the forum, rather the point of the thread.

I appologise for the misunderstanding and typing era. The point of this thread is to debate the best controller ever. So by debating this then i am doing nothing wrong but debating my opinion?

Originally Posted by Pagnell

And stating the Dualshock 2 is the best isn't narrow minded because it is my opinion. You don't agree. Does that make you narrow minded? I wouldn't say so but perhaps we differ.

See below on what i consider determines the best controller

Originally Posted by Pagnell

You say that a controllers greatness is based on functionality and not comfort but then call me narrow minded for stating I think the Dualshock is best as it has two analogue sticks instead of one which is an addition in terms of functionality.

The xbox 360 has two analogue stick controllers, does that make it joint best in the controller regions, along with the dual shock 1 and original xbox controller?

Originally Posted by Pagnell

You seem to be missing one important point which I keep coming back to. When I say which controller is best in a thread like this it is obviously in my opinion. Do you need to run that by you again? IN MY OPINION. Am I saying someone else is wrong or narrow minded because their's differs? No. Would you like a disclaimer at the bottom of every post that has an opinion in?

no i dont need it said to me again as that would be a tad pointless. As i said, i felt it was not like you to state that something is better than the other just because YOU like one better.

E.G. The psp vs DS discussion, you had stated that the best cont be determined on one thing, e.g. graphics many other aspects come into it.

Then when you say your OPINION (as it is now wrote in capitals) is that the dualshock is best because of two things:

1: it has an extra analogue - invalid bacause so does x box

so that leaves only one:
2: comfort - your saying the best controller is because you find it most comfortable?

Originally Posted by Pagnell

So to sum up:-

IN MY OPINION the Dualshock 2 is the best because I like it's functionality and it's comfort. However, for the sake of Kevinorris, I accept not everyone else will agreee with this and that their opinion isn't necessarily wrong, just different.

Perhaps we can move on now?

To sum up:-

I feel that a word is missing from "best controller".

Best looking ....
Best useable ....
Best selling ...

as i consider best controller an impossible award to give, so when others try to give that award i feel its one sided. But thats my OPINION.

And yes we may move on now, im not stopping you.

[Pagnell]

This is ridiculous. I think your issue with this is because I stated the PS2 controller is the best and didn't point out it was my opinion. Apologies, perhaps I should have made it more obvious but I didn't realise I had to. I think most other people on here took it for what it was. An opinion.

And I'm not saying you have no right to debate your opinion but that is not what your posts are about. They are about an issue with my posts which is a different thing.

Let's look at my original post which you had the original problem with:-

Originally Posted by Pagnell

Best controller ever? PS2 dualshock. Why do you think the changes to it are virtually zero on the PS3 one? Because you can't improve near perfection.

N64 controller was good but it was not ideal for certain games as it only had one analogue.

As the thread was clearly asking for an opinion what is your issue with this? Would all this crap have occured if I had said "Best controller ever in my opinion" instead? If so perhaps you should have read between the lines in the first place as that is exactly what I meant. If someone asked "Who is the best band ever?" and someone replied with "The Beatles" would you start going into a deep and meaningful argument with them because you think they have no right to say it? Or could they say it as long as they pointed out it's their opinion as an addition to the statement? Would you then tell them because not everyone likes the same genre their opinion is "very one sided"? Or that they should take the Rolling Stones or Cream into consideration too?

And giving a controller the award of 'best' is far from impossible as it is always going to be subjective therefore someone saying a controller is best is going to be correct. Someone else might think another controller is the best and that would be correct too. You keep either missing or ignoring this point for the sake of maintaining an argument.

But maybe I am also missing something here. Maybe you are taking my saying something as being "the best' automatically means opinion isn't involved as it's a blanket expression that requires the statement to be a certainty? Let me ask you, what constitutes something being 'the best' in it's field? There is no such thing as it's subjective so therefore can differ from person to person. I was giving my opinion therefore this discussion and your first reply to my above post was unrequired.

I'm on holiday for the next week so probably won't get on to read your inevitable reply.

[weezer]

This silly arguement has gotten a little out of hand.... :?

[dirtbikr6288]

Don't mean to get in between you two, but:

Forums are for helping each other out and letting everyone know your opinions, and if you take other people's opinions too seriously, I'd suggest not coming on here anymore...Pagnell is right, he answered the question that was proposed to him (just like everyone else). If you (kevinorriss) have a personal problem with Pagnell for some reason, you should take it up with him over a PM.